So who do you think is the LIAR???

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About M. Rodriguez

When I first received Christ salvation, I made it a priority to read the whole bible and I did. But it was the Bible that made me question my faith. For I found it flawed and lacking. Due to this I launched a personal inquiry/investigation into my faith, and ultimately realized that the Christian God of the Bible was indeed man-made. Now I Blog about those findings and life after Christ.
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9 Responses to So who do you think is the LIAR???

  1. There’s an assumption that the reader believes that both Jesus and John the Baptists were historical figures.

  2. I definitely do believe that both Jesus and John the Baptist were real people, but I’m really starting to question if Jesus was really God in the flesh, or just same crazy dude that people started to follow. Which is really not that far-fetched.

    • There is no reliable evidence whatsoever that Jesus or John the Baptist actually existed. That being said, if we assume for arguments sake that they DID exist, there is virtually nothing to distinguish either of them from the myriad of other preachers, prophets and messiahs of their time. Were they crazy? Perhaps.
      Let’s be honest about this. If it were not for the work of the megalomaniac Paul, there most likely would be no such religion as Christianity; at least not in the form(s) we are familiar with today. The real story of Christianity occurs decades after Christs alleged death.

      • I beg to differ on the fact that there is no reliable evidence that they ever existed. There are several non-christian documentations of Jesus in historical writings. There is the muslim Koran, buddhist, and Josephus.

        Josephus is hands down the most creditable, because he is recognized by both christian and non-christian scholars/historians.

        This site might be helpful:
        Early Non-christian witness of Jesus Christ
        http://www.bibleviews.com/non-biblical.html

    • In regards to whether or not Jesus would have been the son of God, well there are many arguments to counter that belief and no rational ones to support it. I don’t want to hijack this thread, so perhaps this is something I can cover in my blog at a later date. Unless you beat me to it. 🙂

  3. Aesthetically Vile says:

    John the Baptist, if he actually existed, almost certainly didn’t write the Gospel of John. It, like the other gospels, was written long after the death of Jesus. It is generally believed to be written near the end of the first century in Ephesus, in Roman Asia. Once you get into the historicity of the the gospels, you realize that none were written by individuals who actually knew Jesus personally.

  4. “I beg to differ on the fact that there is no reliable evidence that they ever existed. There are several non-christian documentations of Jesus in historical writings. There is the muslim Koran, buddhist, and Josephus.”
    Well, we can toss the fairy tales books from Islam and Buddhism right out, so that leaves only Josephus. I used to believe what you did for several decades until I learned through research that the works of Josephus were twisted and changed over the years and if indeed he DID write about Jesus, his sources were not reliable. The odds are greater that he never wrote about him in the first place. Those passages were added after Christianity was an established fact to bolster the faith of the true believers.

  5. I have recently read that Josephus writings may have been altered, but I have not had a chance to research the issue yet. But I will do.

  6. humblesmith says:

    For the extra-biblical historical documentation of Jesus, see Gary Habermas’ works, specifically “The Historical Jesus” where Habermas counts almost four dozen ancient sources that refer to Jesus, all outside the bible, and most of then from non-religious people. He deals with Josephus in this book.

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