Contradictions in the Historcal Jesus by chillinatthecabstand

This is not my comments, but someone else’s.  I tried to repost, but it wouldn’t allow me too.  So I just Copied and Pasted.

This is my investigation into whether or not they actually prove Jesus’ historicity.

Here’s his list:

”1. Cornelius Tacitus (Roman Historian) – “Annals” XV.44
2. Lucian of Samosata (2nd century satirist) – “The Passing Peregrinus” Note: Lucian was a critic of Christ and Christianity, but never denied that Jesus existed.
3. Flavius Josephus (Jewish historian) – “Antiquities” xviii.33
4. Suetonius (Roman historian) – “Life of Claudius” 25.4
5. Plinius Secundus/Pliney the Younger (Governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor) – “Epistles” X.96
6. Tertullian of Carthage (2nd century theologian) – “Apology” 1.35
7. Thallus (Samaritan historian), as related by Julius Africanus
8. Phlegon (1st century historian), as related by Julius Africanus
9. Letter of Mara Bar Seraphion (Syrian commoner)
10. Justin Martyr – “Apology” 1.48 – NOTE: This is a letter to the Emporer Antonia Pius, where Justing Martyr refers to Pontius Pilate’s own record of Jesus (something the Emperor would be familiar with or have access to)
11. The Jewish Talmud – if anyone would have in interest in hushing up news of this Jesus, it would be the Jewish religious authorities. Yet, their own Talmud has numerous references to Jesus in it.”

I’m looking for documents written in Jesus’ time, which would show that people knew of his life before Christianity began spreading stories about him. This would mean documents written before before 33/30 AD.

“1. Cornelius Tacitus (Roman Historian) – “Annals” XV.44″

>>http://www.bookrags.com/biography/tacitus/

Tacitus was born more than twenty years after Jesus’ supposed death, so this just proves that Christian myths had spread by AD 56. Also note that by the time he would be literate enough to write historical documents it would be at least 30 years after Jesus’ death.


“2. Lucian of Samosata (2nd century satirist) – “The Passing Peregrinus” Note: Lucian was a critic of Christ and Christianity, but never denied that Jesus existed.”

>>Second century? That’s a hundred years after his death. This just proves that Christianity’s mythology existed in the 2nd century.
… 

3. Flavius Josephus (Jewish historian) – “Antiquities” xviii.33
>>http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08522a.htm

Clearly states that he was born in AD 37, 4 years after Jesus supposedly died. This just shows that Christian mythology was known during his time decade(s) after Jesus allegedly died.

“4. Suetonius (Roman historian) – “Life of Claudius” 25.4″

>http://www.livius.org/su-sz/suetonius/suetonius.html

This guy was born in the 70′s, too late to have known Jesus – this too shows that Christian myths had spread by then, not that Jesus existed.


5. Plinius Secundus/Pliney the Younger (Governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor) – “Epistles” X.96
>>Plinius the Younger was born too late too have known Jesus, and I couldn’t find works by Plinius the Elder regarding a historical Jesus.

6. Tertullian of Carthage (2nd century theologian) – “Apology” 1.35

>>Second century – too late to have known or met Jesus.


7. Thallus (Samaritan historian), as related by Julius Africanus

>>I couldn’t find a birth date, but did find this:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/thallus.html

which refutes Thallus as “evidence.” It also states that Thallus was a common name and that Julius Africanus did not mention him being a historian or writing books, so there is a good chance that he was talking about a different Thallus.
8. Phlegon (1st century historian), as related by Julius Africanus

>>Phlegon’s most popular work, Olympiad, details events that took place in 140 AD, meaning that he would be alive during 140 AD.

To have met Jesus, he would have to have been 107 years old when he wrote this book, and this is essentially impossible. To be old enough to be literate during Jesus’ time, he would have to have been around 120 when he wrote Olympiad.


9. Letter of Mara Bar Seraphion (Syrian commoner)

>>http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/serapion.html

This letter was written at least 40 years after his supposed death, and probably 100 years afterward. That’s far too late.


“10. Justin Martyr – “Apology” 1.48 – NOTE: This is a letter to the Emporer Antonia Pius, where Justing Martyr refers to Pontius Pilate’s own record of Jesus (something the Emperor would be familiar with or have access to)”

>>Justin was born in 100 AD, far too late.
 

11. The Jewish Talmud – if anyone would have in interest in hushing up news of this Jesus, it would be the Jewish religious authorities. Yet, their own Talmud has numerous references to Jesus in it.

>>The talmud was written centuries after Jesus’ supposed life.

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About M. Rodriguez

When I first received Christ salvation, I made it a priority to read the whole bible and I did. But it was the Bible that made me question my faith. For I found it flawed and lacking. Due to this I launched a personal inquiry/investigation into my faith, and ultimately realized that the Christian God of the Bible was indeed man-made. Now I Blog about those findings and life after Christ.
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8 Responses to Contradictions in the Historcal Jesus by chillinatthecabstand

  1. Ryan says:

    Hi thebiblereader

    Here is a blog you might find interesting:

    http://humblesmith.wordpress.com/

  2. Ryan says:

    just to make clear, I DON’T agree with everything this guy says on his blog. But there are some posts there that discuss historic evidence, if you are willing to do a search on his blog.

  3. humblesmith says:

    See Gary Habermas’ book, “The Historical Jesus.” He deals with all of these passages and all of the criticisms. Very good work. All these criticisms have good answers that support the Bible.

  4. IgnorantiaNescia says:

    From the post you quoted:

    I’m looking for documents written in Jesus’ time, which would show that people knew of his life before Christianity began spreading stories about him. This would mean documents written before before 33/30 AD.

    This is an incredible criterion. It’s amazing that there are so many documents of Jesus so soon after his death, searching for documents before he died is too narrow a criterion.

  5. Pingback: Book Review: The Case for Christ By Lee Strobel | The BitterSweet End

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