Is the concept of a Perfect God Illogical?

After doing my post series on the Anatomy of a Perfect God, I wanted to finish it off with one final question:  Does the concept of God even make sense?  Is the idea of a Perfect God illogical?

  1. The Philosophy & Ontology of God’s perfection
  2. A Perfect Creator, Can a perfect God be the creator of an imperfect world?
  3. God’s Perfect Word.  Is the Bible God’s Perfect word?
  4. God’s Perfect Covenant.  Why a second Covenant if the previous was Perfect?
  5. God’s Perfect Divine Plan
  6. Does God measure up to his own Biblical Standard of Perfect?

When I break down this conceptual framework of a perfect God, I can only reasonably conclude that whole concept a perfect Judeo-Christian God is completely and utterly illogical.  After doing a study like this, there is nothing about the character God for me to think that God was perfect.  In addition what I found is that the doctrine of God’s Perfection is a high maintenance philosophy so much so that respected scholarly christian’s such as even Richard Swinborne, J.P. Moreland, Keith Ward have changed the theological definition of calling ‘God Perfect‘ to mean something less of its dictionary definition.

Yet, the disconnect is the metaphysical reality between an all perfect being; the byproduct of his creation; and the attributes of God’s ontological character.  For even the more liberal and moderate definitions don’t hold up to the countless erroneous mishaps in the bible by God.  Therefore; Why should I believe that this perfect being (God) exist?  What evidence would I have in supporting not just his existence, but also his ambiguous perfections?

And that when one takes a step back to critique the attributes of God, the only two conclusion a reasonable man can come up with is that God does not exist or God is not the perfect creator.

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About M. Rodriguez

When I first received Christ salvation, I made it a priority to read the whole bible and I did. But it was the Bible that made me question my faith. For I found it flawed and lacking. Due to this I launched a personal inquiry/investigation into my faith, and ultimately realized that the Christian God of the Bible was indeed man-made. Now I Blog about those findings and life after Christ.
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25 Responses to Is the concept of a Perfect God Illogical?

  1. makagutu says:

    Great post Rodriguez. The idea of god’s perfection hasn’t been proven and scriptures if they are to be believed stay away from this question except Mathew where Jesus tells his disciples be you perfect as your father is perfect.

  2. Arkenaten says:

    Great post, Marcus, and only once one is prepared to approach this topic with an open mind and regard the bible honestly will one see this.
    In fact, is there any other way one can possibly regard this god?

    • M. Rodriguez says:

      and I think that is some of the fallacy I have come across in more moderate theology. That they define a perfect god in a way that makes no sense. ex… R. Swinborne describes god in a quantitative sense. In that there is no such thing as perfect, because you can always add one more (x +1). which is more perfect than the standard (x).

      In my opinion that definition is complete crap, who the heck describes a perfect date, or a perfect game, or a perfect dessert in a quantitative sense.

  3. exrelayman says:

    What evidence, you ask? Why, we have the writings of ancient scribes! Do they seem incoherent and contradictory? You are taking them out of context! What is the correct context? Mine, of course, which lines up with what the majority of scholars from Christian lands say (kindly ignore what the majority of scholars from Hindu and Muslim lands say). We have miracles which took place long ago and far away. Checkmate atheists!

    • makagutu says:

      Is this a kind of joke, or you truly believe what you wrote?

      • exrelayman says:

        Ah!, Poe’s law, my good man. I left the smiley off on purpose. And if perchance your query is indicative of your not yet experiencing Edward Current on you tube, by all means hie yerself over there and check him out.

  4. Noel says:

    Why should I rely solely on the limited mind that I have to conclude such a bold claim like “There is no God?” Believers are often described as arrogant and ignorant, but concluding that God must not exist because it is “illogical” is an arrogant statement by itself.

    • makagutu says:

      You haven’t shown how the statement is arrogant. Are you saying that the claims of the idea being illogical are fallacious or where does the problem exist?

      • M. Rodriguez says:

        if you describe and define God, then you can prove through falsfability that God does or does not exist. Or that a type of God does not exist …Example:

        God is Perfect
        Perfection is without mistake or error
        God did something erroneous, therefore God is either not perfect or does not exist.

        I assume the later.

  5. Mike says:

    Interesting. I suppose, if just from the bible, one could draw that conclusion. I do enjoy this view more than a lot of christians who think that God cannot be understood at all or comprehended; that drives me nuts! ‘there is a God, but we have no idea what he/it’s like or does.’ What’s the point?! Ridiculous.
    This is sort of like saying a parent is bad because their child is bad. I may see it differently. Thanks for blogging.

    • M. Rodriguez says:

      granted I am using only trying to debunk the christian and the concept of a perfect. I suppose we hypothesis that a less than perfect God exist, and then I would say that is probable.

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  7. Drange concludes that the argument should be put forward only in relation to theists who already accept the first premise and believe in a god who is perfectly loving.

    • M. Rodriguez says:

      the majority do….I haven’t come across any theist who doesn’t accept that God is all powerful, all loving, and all perfect.

      however I have come across some that have varying definition of the attributes compared to the majority populace

  8. This is where trouble starts to brew; as the Christian then say that the analogy only shows that God “possesses the positive attributes in a mode proportionate to his nature.” [5] All this tells us is that when we talk of God, his justice is not the same as human justice, his mercy is not the same as human mercy, his love is not the same as human love and his wisdom is not the same as human wisdom. If the words are not the same as what we understand them in the usual contexts, what do they mean? The Christian theologian sometimes try to get out of this difficulty by asserting that we use analogical descriptions toward animals as well; for instance, we describe a dog as being faithful to its master, knowing full well that the word could not possibly mean exactly the same thing as when we apply it to humans.

    • M. Rodriguez says:

      biblical definition of perfect….

      A Biblical Definition of Perfect:
      “We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is PERFECT,….” -(James 3:2)

      A Biblical Definition of Non-Perfect:
      “A double minded man unstable[unperfect] in all his ways”- (James 1:8)

      To say God is not perfect by the definition of not perfect, one would have to indeed persuade that the God of the bible is unstable and can be found with fault. It doesn’t take much to prove that, all one has to do is just look into the bible in Exodus 21:14-”The Lord changed his mind(repented) and did not bring on his people the disaster he threatened.” How can all perfect God change his mind?

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  15. silver price says:

    Now, again really all the perfections of God are relative for they all indicate what he is in relationship to this world. Even when we say he is self existent we say he’s not like us. He is not dependent. So it is impossible really to speak of absolute attributes, I cannot have knowledge of God absolutely. I’m no god. Every knowledge that I have of God, every little piece of knowledge is a relative kind of knowledge. So I do not think it best to classify God’s attributes as absolute and relative. Others have suggested imminent or intransitive, whatever that means and imminent or transitive.

    • M. Rodriguez says:

      I would never describe the word perfect as relative. Perfection or the defintion of Perfect has very distinct meaning…Perfect= Complete, Whole, Without Flaw, Without Blemish or Without Error.

      Even the Bible’s Definition of Perfection is right in line.

      Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is PERFECT,….” -(James 3:2)

      https://bittersweetend.wordpress.com/2013/03/23/does-the-god-of-the-bible-measure-up-to-his-own-standard-of-perfect/

      So to suggest that we cannot have absolute meaning of God, cause he is perfect and all power is a invalid. Because if we say God is Perfect and all-powerful. All we need is one error, one flaw, one inconsistency to show God is no longer perfect.

      And really the best example of God not being perfect and all powerful is Evil, If god is perfect and all-powerful, then really there should be no reason why evil or bad things happen.

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